New Podcast: Welcome to the Church’s Kitchen Table – A Conversation with Dave
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Jesus spoke of His followers as a family. He saw us as brothers and sisters and we certainly have our squabbles as all families do. What we seem to have lost, in my lifetime, is an ability in the church to call upon the healing powers of a family in order to remain the Body of Christ when we disagree. What a grievous witness to the world we have become in our divisiveness!
Healthy families do not agree on everything. Strong families maintain loving relationship, deep connection with one another. Families gather at the kitchen table—everyone—talking with honesty and respect about the things that are important to them. Everyone listens and learns from the others there, rising from the table with goodwill, not necessarily agreement.
This is the church family I yearn for and feel called by God to work toward.
So, welcome to what I call a Kitchen Table Conversation—the first of many, I hope.
I hope your mind and heart are touched by this podcast recording of a talk between my brother in Christ, Dave, and me. We’ve known one another for decades and had many, many “kitchen table” conversations about our different perspectives on the place of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) in the church and in God’s eyes.
As we speak together here, Dave and I are hoping that you will join us with your reflections. We hope that you will share your thoughts through comments here, building on what we share. We pray you will be blessed with insight and enjoy the respect you may not have experienced before from someone who disagrees with you.
To be honest, I am more an interviewer here that a conversationalist. My goal is to draw you into the dialogue with David by inviting him to share his story with us. I will join in by replying to your comments, of course.
I was certainly provoked by several of Dave’s comments, as I trust you will be.
To give you a sense of what David shares here–tweaking your interest a bit–I offer these short sections from the transcript of our conversation. May it inspire you to want to hear more!
His faith journey
I found my religious passion largely through Young Life, an evangelical youth organization. . . . . So my sister gave me a Bible that I could mark myself, and I think my conscious journey of faith, of growing closer to God through Jesus Christ, started there.
Wisdom for his daughter
If we don’t like what the Bible says but we believe the Bible says it, we can’t just decide that we’re not going to agree in that term and if she thinks that her fellowship is wrong about homosexuality being a sin, she needs to convince herself that the Bible supports her position.
Present reflection on Scripture
When we say “Love is the fulfilling of the law (Romans 13:10),” my eyes are opening to, I think, what Jesus and Paul meant by that. . . . . There’s still the ten commandments and there’s still “Thou shalt not commit adultery (Exodus 20:14),” and that speaks volumes to me about sexuality. But it’s the divorcing of sexuality from love that is the problem.
Present reflection upon his son, Joel
And I don’t know if Joel is gay or bisexual. I do know that Joel calls himself gay and Joel is the only one who has the right to give himself that label, and so I accept it on those terms.
On his own sexuality
And when I’m in touch with how much God loves me just as I am, my questions about my own sexuality all settle down. They don’t go away but they settle down.
Welcome to this kitchen table of the Christian family! May you be inspired to join in now and many times to come.