New Podcast: A Kitchen Table Conversation with David Carver
Welcome to this second in a series of conversations between Christians with differing ideas about the place of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) people in the eyes of God and the church! (To hear the first conversation in this series & learn more about this project click here).
Dave Carver is a pastor in a local Presbyterian Church; we have been colleagues in ministry in Pittsburgh Presbytery of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) for more than twenty years. Dave and I don’t always agree, but I’m delighted that he decided to participate in this conversation and share his journey and understanding of faith and LGBT inclusion.
A few highlights from our chat:
On his first General Assembly
What I remember for that is coming home from that General Assembly and making my report to the home Presbytery, and I made a very dismissive comment about the presence of the gay and lesbian caucus. I was trying to be funny, and one of the pastors that had been mentoring me pulled me aside and said, ‘How dare you speak of people in such dismissive terms.’ That was very helpful because I realized I had been filled with my own self-righteous indignation about the way the Presbyterian Church had been going…
I want to be, and I long to be, engaged by and instructed by scripture. And I view scripture as God’s authoritative and intrusive word into my life and into our life together. But I’m also aware of the fact that for almost every single area of our lives there is not a single scripture to which I point and I say, ‘Well this is the definitive truth about that.’ So I think that I am much more comfortable in the complexities of a gray world than I thought I would be, and I don’t have need for things to be black or white, yes or no.
It’s really hard for me to imagine lining up behind a Jesus whose first attribute is that he hates somebody.